For this TIP you need 3 rune slots characters(the earliest is Miakis).Equip her/him Wall Rune(you can find it in Lordlake when its revived).With Wall char. Can only defend.Next put it Strike-Back. 3) Tier Lists I've read through on Suikosource and the interwebs!! 4) Their ability to fight solo AND on a team 5) RUNE SLOTS (Since having 3 runes is better than 1, always!) 6) Equipment types and slots for that stuffs! Without ado, MY TIER LIST DA DA DA DUN!!! Anyone on Tier 4 CAN be used on your 'Bad character only' challenge! Suikoden 3 Rune Slots, poker vals les bains, casino wallpaper hd, machine poker en ligne gratuit.
Full disclosure: I did all the things I’m writing about in this report on the same day that I wrote the last report on. It’s just that I like to vary my postings so it isn’t all just about one game over and over. Anyway, here goes…
That’s how many stars I have. Well, technically, I’m at 104 out of 108, because Gremio and Pahn died, but that’s another issue.
Two characters gave me major trouble and recruiting both of them is related to the caves behind Qlon, so I thought I’d write about it in detail in case anyone else has trouble. The title is for Google to find it easier (I think).
Suikoden – Find the Window Crystal/ Window Rune and recruit Window
The window crystal / window rune is in the Qlon caves. The thing is. most of the guides hint that it’s easily found. It wasn’t for me. The window crystal is actually in a secret room in the Qlon cave, behind the hidden passage. Here’s how to find it, in slide show:
… then up and down the stairs…
Follow the regular route to the end of the cave until you reach this fork and go down.
This is where it get’s tricky. The south wall on this picture hides a secret passage.
Follow it (you have to wiggle left and right for a bit to navigate through it…
…and you’ll get into the room with the window crystal.
Finally, give the crystal/rune to Window in the Warrior’s Village.
So back to text, once you get to the part of the cave where the path forks straight up and straight down, with the upper road leading to a room with a chest, take the down path and then go through a secret passage through the wall in the next room. You will see the passage if you go down far enough. The camera will scroll to show part of it.
The other character related to Qlon cave is Crowley. Here´s how you get Crowley.
Suikoden – How to Recruit Crowley
In order to get Crowley, you already need a max level castle. I was at 105 stars when I recruited him (counting Gremio and Pahn who died), but you can probably be lower than that. I think the fourth level castle is actually the only requirement.
In any case, Crowley is in another secret room in the caves behind Qlon temple. Here’s some pictures to show were:
This area should be easy to find. Go down the stairs…
See this flat wall in the next room? Go through it. Again, you’ll have to wiggle your way through…
…and recruit this guy.
So again, in words, from the room with a set of stairs on a platform next to a chest, go down the stairs, then through the next room and through the flat southern wall in the room after that to find Crowley. You can find him early on, but you need a level 4 castle to recruit him.
So these two characters gave me trouble. Most of the others I was missing were easy and some were impossible, as in, I missed my chances to get them.
To recruit the dancer, you need Toe Shoes equipped on the hero. I was missing this the entire game, so I thought I should mention this explicitly.
I thought there’d be a special pair of shoes, but it’s just Toe Shoes.
There are also character’s I’ve missed that could have been obtained over the course of the game. For that, here’s another Google-friendly title…
NOTE: The characters here are just the character’s I know I’ve missed. There may actually be more than just these four.
Mace
Mace is the fourth blacksmith and the only one able to raise everyone’s weapons to their maximum level 16. To recruit him, you need the other four blacksmiths in your party and then visit him in his house in Seek Valley. Most wouldn’t consider him missable, since you can return to the valley whenever you wish, but if you wait until the last moment, you won’t have the four free slots in the party you need to take the other blacksmiths with you. That’s the only issue with mace and the only reason I didn’t recruit him.
Kwanda
Kwanda is the first general you defeat, the one with the burning mirror weapon. Apparently, you can spare him, in which case you recruit him. At that point, I was so trained by the fake choices Suikoden was offering me, I didn’t want to go through the motions and just had him executed. Apparently, I was wrong.
Pahn
Pahn isn’t missable, but Pahn’s death is avoidable. If you do the duel correctly, you can survive and Pahn stays with you. I didn’t do it correctly and got killed in a single attack.
Gremio
Gremio’s death is unavoidable, but he can be revived before the game ends, under one extremely important condition – you need to have the other 107 characters, including Pahn, all already recruited. During the last speech, when Leknaat pays you a visit, she’s able to snatch Gremio from the moment of his death, which kind of explains his clothes and weapon on the ground where he died, without his body, though it really doesn’t, since he’s rescued with his clothes on.
In the end, I was missing two characters (Mace and Kwanda) and I failed to rescue/revive two (Pahn and Gremio). I also didn’t collect all the paint for the painting, all the Window Settings or all the Menu Sounds, but I’m fine with that. The way I understand it, most of these items are collected as drops from enemies and I don’t really feel like doing that.
I feel I’ve played through the experience that is Suikoden well enough. I greatly enjoyed the game and now I can move on to another one, though this will be only in a few weeks, not sooner. Why? I’ll tell you in my next PS1 game report, whichever game that may be.
I’ll give you a hint, though. Remember that guide on transferring saves I wrote? I might need it soon myself.
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Before decide to learn a skill, it's better to see how's the aptitude ofa character toward the skills. The least point needed to learn a skill,
the better the result. However, this method does not always work,
mostly but not always. I have found some characters that have
highest aptitude did not result highest rank in their skill.
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~ Budehuc Castle ~
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Bujutsu Teacher : Juan
Aptitudes Skill point needed Estimate
to learn Rank
The results are amazing! 20 A+ - S
Competent 30 A
It could be much worse 40 B+
Absolutely Average 50 B
It won't be easy 60 C
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Tutor : Ernie
Aptitudes Skill point needed Estimate
to learn Rank
Unbridled Potential! 20 A+ - S
There's no denying talent 30 A
Your mother would be proud 40 B+
WOW! Just kidding--Average 50 B
It won't be easy 60 C
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~ All other areas ~
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Tutor:
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Vinay del Zexay(Guild Hall,left door that leads to outside area)
Brass Castle
Budehuc Castle
Duck Village
Le Buque
Alma Kinan
Bujutsu Teacher:
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Vinay del Zexay(Guild Hall,left door that leads to outside area)
Brass Castle
Budehuc Castle
Great Hollow
Caleria
Alma Kinan
Bujutsu Teacher / Tutor :
Aptitudes Skill point needed Estimate
to learn Rank
Perfect Match! 20 A+ - S
Fairly Good Match 30 A
Natural Ability Exists 40 B+
Average 50 B
It will take time 60 C
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~ Support Character ~
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There are Support Characters who can give you Education/Training.
Bring them in your party and access it by choosing
the 'Tutor/Bujutsu' skill.
Tutor: Caesar
Aptitudes Skill point needed Estimate
Suikoden 2 3 Rune Slots
to learn RankInfinite genius,like me! 20 A+ - S
Nice, nice... 30 A
I've heard of worse 40 B+
A-V-E-R-A-G-E 50 B
It won't be easy 60 C
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Tutor : Hortez VII
Aptitudes Skill point needed Estimate
to learn Rank
Frigtheningly talented! 20 A+ - S
You'll do well 30 A
Could be handy 40 B+
As plain as water 50 B
You'd have to struggle 60 C
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Tutor: Iku
Aptitudes Skill point needed Estimate
to learn Rank
Brilliance personified! 20 A+ - S
Noteworthy, noteworthy... 30 AAmusing, or useful? Hmmm... 40 B+
Just one of the herd 50 B
An uphill battle at best... 60 C
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Tutor : Nadir
Aptitudes Skill point needed Estimate
to learn Rank
Top Ability! 20 A+ - S
Good, very good.... 30 A
Could come in handy 40 B+
Average as can be 50 B
Immense time required! 60 C
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Bujutsu Teacher : Jefferson
Aptitudes Skill point needed Estimate
to learn Rank
Genius, baby, genius! 20 A+ - S
Smokin! 30 A
It wouldn't be a waste 40 B+
'Vanilla.' You follow me? 50 B
An arduous task at best... 60 C
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II. Skill Points
Education Center and Training Center have the same pattern
of required skill points.This tables below show how many skill points
you need to enhance your character skill.
There are two type of pattern I found out.
Note : I have not finished with this section yet, as it will be
updated more.
A. Where the Estimate Ranks are the same as the Actual Rank
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Skill Points Needed Actual
Estimate _______________________________________________ Rank
Rank E D C B B+ A A+ Result
_______ _______________________________________________ __________
S 40 65 90 135 180 250 350 S
A 50 80 120 170 220 - - A
B+ 60 95 140 205 - - - B+
B 75 115 170 - - - - B
C 100 150 - - - - - C
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B. Where the Estimate Ranks are different from the Actual Rank
There are some special cases where you will get different result
other than the Estimate Ranks, although the odds are against it.
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Skill Points Needed Actual
Estimate ________________________________________________ Rank
Rank E D C B B+ A A+ Result
________ _______________________________________________ ________
S 40 65 120 190 - - - B+
A+
A
B+
B
C 100 150 200 250 300 350 - A+
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III. Characters With 'S' Rank and/or 3 Rune Slots
I listed all the characters by alphabetical orders.
These characters reach 'S' rank without accecories/armor.
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A-G
Alanis -3 Rune Slots
Augustine-Parry
Ayame -Repel, Holy Dash
Emily-Swing
Estella-Fire Magic, 3 Rune Slots
Fred-Shield Protect
Gadget Z-Fighting Spirit
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H-N
Hallec-Swing
Hugo-Repel
Jacques-Sharpshoot
Joker -3 Rune Slots
Juan -Heavy Damage, Continual Attack
Kenji -Holy Dash
Landis-Freeze, Thief, Magic Resistance
Leo-Adrenaline Power, Damage, Armor Protect
Lucia -3 Rune Slots
Mel-Lighting Magic, 3 Rune Slots
Nei-Chant Purity, Magic Resistance, 3 Rune Slots
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O-U
Piccolo -3 Rune Slots
Rody-Sword of Magic, 3 Rune Slots
Shabon -3 Rune Slots
Toppo-Chanting Volume
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V-Z
Viki -Blinking Magic, 3 Rune Slots
Y.Viki-Blinking Magic, 3 Rune Slots
Wan Fu-Adrenaline Power
Watari-Counter-Attack, 3 Rune Slots
Yuiri -3 Rune Slots
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IV. Natural Skills
These are the skills that all the character learn by themself.
Magic Skills Characters
Chanting Volume Kenji Nei Toppo Shabon Sgt. Joe
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Chant Purity Kenji Nei Toppo Shabon
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Blinking Magic Mel Rody Viki Y.Viki
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Shield Magic Aila Alanis Belle Nei Percival Queen Rico
Sanae Y. Viki Y.Viki
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Pale Gate Magic Alanis Estella Joker Mel Piccolo Viki Y.Viki
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Focus Estella Joker Piccolo
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Precision Alanis Elaine Rody
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Magic Rationing Elaine Rody Sharon Yuiri Yumi
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Magic Repel Estella Geddoe Lucia Wilder Rhett
+------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Fighting Skills Characters
Parry Augustine Chris Futch Gau Geddoe Hugo Lilly
Sharon
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Heavy Damage Borus Chris Duke Emily Hallec Hugo Juan Lilly
Sgt. Joe Melville Nash Percival Queen Yuiri
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Counter Attack Ayame Duke Edge Hugo Joker Percival Sanae Y.
Watari
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Continual Attack Beecham Hugo Joker Juan Kenji Koichi Lucia
Nash
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Adreanaline Power Fred Hallec Leo Twaikin
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Shield Protect Fred Mua Nicolas Sharon Twaikin
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Fighting Spirit Gadget Z Leo Rico Samus Shiba
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Freeze Aila Bazba Fubar Geddoe Landis Reed
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Sharpshoot Jacques Roland Yuiri Yumi
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Thief Ace Landis
+-------------------+------------------------------------------------------+
Support Skills Characters
Appraisal Arthur/B Eike/C Guillaume/A Mio/E Muto/D
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Bujutsu Teacher Jefferson/D Juan/B+
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Tutor Caesar/E Ernie/B+ Hortez VII/C Iku/C Nadir/D
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Healing Anne/D Iku/C Jeane/E Luce/E Louis/E Mio/B+
Sanae Y./D Tuta/A+
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Discount Ace/C Bartz/C Gordon/C Luce/D Martha/B Nadir/D
Goro/A
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Trade-In Billy/D Gordon/D Kathy/E Mike/C
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Bath Bartz/C Goro/A+
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Treasure Hunt Arthur/E Elliot/D Guillaume/E Kidd/C Koroku/E
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Potch Finder Apple/D Elliot/C Guillaume/E Sebastian/E
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Rune Sage Jeane/A Mike/C
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
Cook Anne/D Billy/D Mamie/A Louis/D
+-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
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V. Rune Shops
~ Vinay del Zexay ~
Fire
Lighting
Wind
Water
Earth
Suikoden 4 3 Rune Slots
~ Guild Hall(Vinay del Zexay) ~
Viper
Great Hawk
Goss
Unicorn
Sword of Rage
~ Brass Castle ~
Titan
Viper
Goss
Great Hawk
Sword of Cyclone
Shield
~ Duck Village ~
Water
Earth
Goss
Unicorn
Lion
Kite
Skunk
Medicine
Wall (Supply/Item Shop)
~ Caleria ~
Wind
Titan
Lion
Kite
~ Alma Kinan ~
Fire
Wind
Water
Lighting
Earth
Jongleur
~ Le Buque ~
Fire
Lighting
Unicorn